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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 24, 2011 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Groovy Jam

I don't think the GD & the CTA ever played together.
The very first time the riff pops up is around 21 minutes into the 8/30/69 Dark Star, when Garcia's broken a string & the others are filling in; so it's not a real band jam, just Weir fooling around.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 24, 2011 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Groovy Jam

They may not have played together, but a little more research reveals some interesting stuff.

Chicago played the Fillmore West a few times in 69 - May 29 thru June1, as well as 8/15 thru 8/17. They also played at a free festival on 7/7/69 in Piedmont Park, Atlanta - with several other bands including the Allman Bros, Delaney & Bonnie, and the Grateful Dead ! I think this is ample opportunity for them to hear the riff from Beginnings.

Fillmore dates: http://www.chickenonaunicycle.com/Fill%20West%20Shows.htm


Here's a quote from this page below, although who can vouch for accuracy considering his hyperbole...

http://www.thestripproject.com/Hippies_Stories/Entries/2007/5/19_Dead_in_Piedmont_Park.html

"It was midnight and Dead had played most of the songs for which they were becoming known and they stopped after about three hours. But now more equipment was added to the stage?!
Most of the musicians retook the stage to play with the Dead. Big horn section, background singers, eight drummers, a bass quintet, and Harold Kelling, Glenn Phillips, Duane Allman and Dickie Betts, Delaney Bramlett, Chicago’s guitarist, Randy California, and Jerry Garcia trading and interlacing lead lines.
This was a two-hour shakedown song before they settled into “Dark Star” experimentation. This became a rock symphony full of the once and future hits of all concerned.
About 3:30 AM Jerry’s guys shifted to their closing song. Coda after coda rang into the darkness of Atlanta’s late July night stillness."

The show here on the archive may be incomplete, but does not seem to reveal any extra musicians onstage, although it features a nice Dark Star and a 37 min. Lovelight.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-07-07.sbd.clugston.3116.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 24, 2011 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Groovy Jam

Good to know; I hadn't known Chicago played the Piedmont Park festival.
However, I must say it's extremely unlikely the Dead saw any of Chicago's Fillmore shows, as they were busy playing their own shows (including Woodstock) during those dates!
Nor do I think it's at all necessary for them to check out Chicago live to get that riff. Just the album would do! Really, just Weir toying with a couple chords is all we need as the original genesis of the jam...

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Sep 25, 2011 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Feeling Groovy Jam

Absolutely agree - not necessary to see them live to hear the riff. CTA was a popular band around then, they would have gotten some radio play. Also, it's the kind of riff you could conjure very easily.

And, as you mention, it's more important what the band could do with a musical inspiration, regardless of the source - improvisation took them to new heights - what the band did WAS original.